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Martin Shaw as Ray Doyle. 3B pencil on cartridge paper, 45 minutes.


What do you think?


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Apr. 14th, 2014 12:43 am (UTC)
You've caught his steady/amused gaze and that way he holds his mouth really well.
Apr. 14th, 2014 10:30 am (UTC)
*HUGS* Thanks, love.
Apr. 15th, 2014 12:02 pm (UTC)
Sorry I haven't been online much for chats. Maybe next week!
Apr. 14th, 2014 04:52 am (UTC)
Oh very nice! I do draw, but I can't draw in realistic style... I always respect who can draw in that style. Well done!
Apr. 14th, 2014 10:32 am (UTC)
Thank you! I can't draw in Manga style - and I've tried. :D
Apr. 14th, 2014 08:07 am (UTC)
Oh, well done! As 221b_hound says, he is watching...
Apr. 14th, 2014 10:36 am (UTC)
Thanks! I'm drawing because at the moment I am totally blocked on my BB fic...

BTW - is it me, or is Martin's t-shirt so thin/tight in this pic: http://dailypros.tumblr.com/post/1534906831/gorgeous-picture - that you can see not only his nipple but the areola round it?
Apr. 14th, 2014 10:55 am (UTC)
You're not the only one to be blocked, although I now have half a plot scribbled over a sheet of paper. Which is a start...

You have got me absolutely peering at the screen now! Um...! Possibly? There are quite a few other topless-Martin shots available for comparison. This calls for research. (You know, way back in the early days of the Safehouse, there was even more detailed research. Scary.)

Oh god, what have I become?
Apr. 14th, 2014 01:14 pm (UTC)
You said on Box of Tricks you had most of a plot?

Oh god, what have I become?

I think the term is "fan-girl" and I don't think it's all that much to worry about! What's up with appreciating and studying male anatomy?

You know how they talk about fan-service these days when there is a gratuitous top-less (male) shot in the Star Trek reboot or Avengers Assemble etc; I wonder if that was what was behind the shots of Martin back in Pros days? Part of the whole "women want to screw them, men want to be them" thing the show supposedly had going for it. (Of course Lewis/Bodie being "shy-er" gave legions of fic writers food for thought, too.)

Did you see the thing on C5 at the w/end? Britain's Favourite Double Acts? Ant & Dec beat even Morecombe and Wise for first place, but Doyle and Bodie placed at 22. And were summed up as "two hot guys running and rolling around" IIRC - don't recall any mention of the slash angle, though.
Apr. 15th, 2014 12:58 pm (UTC)
Well... I have issues with objectification of women, and now here I am doing it to men. Hmm.

And I did not see the C5 thing at all, no! I must find it on iPlayer. I would say that summary is pretty much the slash angle, too - no need to name it, we're all going to hear or read that description and grin anyway :)
Apr. 15th, 2014 03:58 pm (UTC)
IMO there is quite a line between looking at, noticing and appreciating human attractiveness in its many forms (even babies spend longer looking at people/photos of people which are rated as "more attractive"). Did Michelangelo objectify his models?

As someone trying to write and draw these guys, I want to notice the small details. And I can't help thinking that a guy who is willing to appear in a muscle shirt or singlet/vest or topless is comfortable with his body and with people noticing it. :D

Although I *do* take your point and some fics which harp at length on Doyle's beauty or his gorgeous body do seem to be at the very least, in danger of crossing the line. I can sort of buy that as one aspect of Bodie's POV, but I do get annoyed when a certain subsection of fic seem to suggest that all *Doyle* brings to the relationship/partnership are his looks/body and hot sex. Though YMMV and it might just be me seeing that in them.

Talking of which, can you recommend any fics which show Doyle supporting/comforting/giving to Bodie - without what he gives being in bed, or Bodie's need being due to trauma/injury etc? Do you know what I mean?

And have you reached the point with your plot where I can be of any use, or have the time/inclination for an IM chat this week?

(BTW did you see the post before this?)
Apr. 16th, 2014 05:44 pm (UTC)
It has been remarked upon before that Martin Shaw, the serious actor, is far happier to pose with little on than Lewis Collins, the - well, it's not fair to say he was not a serious actor, but he was certainly the one looking for big film work!

Wrong way round, really. Not that I am complaining at all.

I think I know what you mean, but I am not sure. I am not one for hurt/comfort myself. But there are storylists! Two sites have storylists. One is the Hatstand: http://hatstand.slashcity.net/lists.html And the other is Palely Loitering: http://palelyloitering.com/Story%20Lists/Story%20Lists.htm

PL has the beginnings of a 'Bodie hurt, Doyle comforts' list at http://palelyloitering.com/Story%20Lists/BodieHurt%20DoyleComfort%20Storylist.htm and I am sure byslantedlight would appreciate additions. The two currently there may fit your description. If they do, then there is another one by JoJo which you may like: Rain Stopped Play, at http://archiveofourown.org/works/1027167

I daren't talk about plot just yet, no - superstition rules, oh dear!
Apr. 16th, 2014 06:20 pm (UTC)
I daren't talk about plot just yet, no - superstition rules, oh dear!

LOL! Writers are a supersitious lot, to be sure!

Thanks for the links. :D

I think I was unclear (I was unclear about rather a lot yesterday - my head was not straight with one thing and another) about what I meant. Yes, I do (sometimes, at least) enjoy H/C and feel there's a bit of a lack of it that way round.

But also - maybe moreso - except for some fics which seem to work by (IMO anyway) mischaracterising Bodie (Ray as poor little woobie is bad enough, but Bodie? Seriously?), I seem to have found just lately a fair few fics which don't seem to get what Bodie might get out his relationship with Doyle, or where Ray seems to be characterised as selfish and self-centred but good at sex and very pretty. Know what I mean? (If I go on like this I'll have to f'lock this post!) That Bodie - and Bodie alone - is the giver in their personal relationship rather than them being complementary equals who give and take - mutual support and appreciation. I don't know if I'm making any sense...

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