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byslantedlight's post about "When the Heat Cools Off" in the_safehouse reminded me of somthing I periodically wonder.

As well as being the ep where Doyle plays Knock Down Ginger (aka knock and run away) on Cowley's door, this is also the ep where Doyle - in the rhubarb-rhubarb of the blind-date/double-date scene, before Jill Hayden enters - reveals he can ride and talks about how expensive it is to keep a horse. (Followed up when we get to see him ride in "Weekend in the Country".)

Have any writers or fic, or people who have books or albums revealing "canon" background, or discussions explored theories for how/why Doyle learned? Mounted riot police when he was Uniform, as a child, when he "lived off a rich woman" as revealed in "First Night", etc, etc?

I know it was always said of Mum's dad that "Young Joe" - a London-born, London-based, French Polisher and Furniture Restorer - (he was actually Charlie, but friends of his father, Joe, always called him Young Joe, just to confuse the issue when people came up to Mum and said things like, "Hallo! You're Young Joe's daughter, ain't you?") could ride *anything*, saddled or not, but then my great-grandfather made coaches and *his* father had been the Victorian London equivalent of a man-with-a-van - a man with a horse and cart for hire (aka "carman"). And the generation gap meant more horses too, of course - even in London in the early 1950s Mum remembers that the milkman had a horse-drawn milkfloat and the rag-and-bone men (think Steptoe!) with their bell and cry of "Old Iron!" had a horse and cart

I've lived in a few places now with a lot of horse-riding (even in London/Essex because of Epping Forest), but like hunting and shooting, it tends to be either farm-and-country dwellers or the (Home) Counties set (ie MONEY). From what I can tell from canon, Doyle doesn't fall into those categories.

Of course there were - and indeed are - "Irish Gypsies", aka Travellers (and less PC aka Tinkers/Peddlars etc)...

(An exception would be the Riding for the Disabled charity in Epping Forest (where I used to help out as a Brownie and Guide, cleaning tack and stables, currying horses, picking stones out of the exercise rings etc though we never got to ride anything) - but then Doyle is not disabled, either!)

ETA: While I'm pondering and querying, I may as well ask (before I fart about and make comparative screencaps, I hope that someone else must have wondered): In "Old Dog with New Tricks" Doyle throws a brown small-checked gingham shirt at Bodie's head when he wakes him up at home, which Bodie then wears until Cowley sends him off to buy a suit; then in "Killer with a Long Arm" Doyle wears a brown gingham/checked shirt. Are they the same one? (And is it one of these/this shirt(s) that reappears, worn by Phillips, in "The Purging of CI5", presumably due to a limited wardrobe budget? Or were there just dozens of brown gingham shirts being worn in the late '70s? Girls at my Junior School in the 1980s did wear brown gingham summer dresses (the school colours were brown and blue), so maybe it was a wider thing!)

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msmoat
Aug. 5th, 2014 11:01 am (UTC)
Okay, so this is of no help at all, but I do vaguely remember a story that at least mentioned Doyle learning to ride…I think because of his grandfather? Arrgh! Sorry--too many years in Pros fandom! (Although not long enough, apparently, to remember that he talks about horses in "When the Heat Cools Off"! Of course, I do tend to skip that particular conversation. That'll teach me! *g*)

I like the "when he lived off a rich woman" angle, even though I also tend to lean towards him just having Bodie on in that conversation in "First Night".

You can find lots of clothing in Pros recycled. The blouse that Bodie's girlfriend wears in "Weekend" is also worn by the secretary in "The Acorn Syndrome"…and I believe by someone else who I can't remember right now. Bodie's leather jacket, i'm sure, is the same as the one worn by one of the villains in "Weekend". On the other hand, it would be great fun to work with Doyle wearing Bodie's shirt in "Killer"…certainly the line in "Mixed Doubles" about the shirt has been played with in fan fiction! Hmm. I will need to go look at Old Dog and Killer to see if it is really the same shirt! Oh, the things we do for fandom… *g*
natsuko1978
Aug. 5th, 2014 11:48 am (UTC)
Thanks for replying! :D

The horses thing is something I particularly noticed, partly because I just *love* MS on a horse (very nice to look at IMO) and partly because of my grandparents' horsey connection.

As well as Mum's dad, Mum's mother's family had horses and carriages until the Great Depression. The hoof of my great-grandmother's favourite pony (from her pony and trap) was mounted in silver and sat - rather gruesomely, since it was a whole *hoof* not just a horseshoe or something! - on my Great-Uncle Bruce's mantelpiece until his death in 1995.

And Dad's dad was in WWI, driving a horse-drawn artillary truck behind the lines and between the trenches. The only photo I have of him (he died 13 years before I was born) is of him in uniform with his horse.

But that was *then*. None of the next two generations ever learned to ride - it's an expensive sport/hobby after all. So I just thought the fandom would've explored how it fitted in with Doyle's city-bred, bit rough and scrappy (as he told Bodie in "Mixed Doubles") youth. You know?

Also, IMO even in the '70s (so probably moreso as a youngster) Doyle has a very jockey-ish build - I think a *young* Doyle (before he started police/CI5 training to build muscle) could have managed the weight limits: 136lbs/62kg for jumps - and *possibly* even 116lbs/52kg for flat... Maybe he raced as an amateur for his rich mistress (which might explain the "very boring, very repetetive" line!) Might also explain where he gets his racing tips! :D

One thing I love about fandom and fic is that as a writer *and* a reader you can "believe" a dozen entirely contradictary things if you or the other authors can make it work in context. There is no One Absolute Truth or Interpretation. Like the hundreds of *different* B/D "first times" - most enjoyable, all *possible* - etc. :D

In the DVDs I have, Old Dog and Killer are on two separate discs, so it'd be a bit time-consuming to try to compare them, so I had *hoped* someone had already had the shirt conversation. I mainly thought of it again (my BB fic it set some time after No Stone, so I'm trying to avoid getting hooked back into to rewatching *all* the series *G*) when I went to T'hy'la's Tumblr (I'm not on Tumblr but I have a few accounts in my Bookmarks) to look up the gif she made of Bodie staring at Doyle's arse in WtHCO (when he takes his jacket off back in the flat after dinner) and saw gifs of Killer right before caps of Old Dog - http://ramesesniblickthethird.tumblr.com/tagged/bodie%2Fdoyle

:D I love fandom. I love the discussions and pondering and meta as well as fic. And you "meet" such wonderful people.
moonlightmead
Aug. 6th, 2014 11:35 am (UTC)
I need to reply to all the rest of this later, but I have just seen the addendum about that shirt. And, with amazing timing, I have just been digging about in very very old postings, and look at this!

stewardess posted an awesome post about The Trail Of The Brown Checked Shirt back in 2006. It - with screencaps - is still up. Enjoy!

Link here: http://the-safehouse.livejournal.com/126826.html

Edited at 2014-08-06 11:35 am (UTC)
natsuko1978
Aug. 6th, 2014 02:25 pm (UTC)
Wow! Thank you. I didn't think I could possibly be the first person to wonder. :D

Based on those caps, I think the Long Shot shirt at least is *not* the Killer shirt - it seems to have a white tag on the breast pocket, instead of the black/dark one seen when Doyle wears it. Disappointing. :(

Also, I'm pretty sure the Klansmen shirt is the Where the Jungle Ends blue gingham shirt. Isn't it?

But still, it's fun to pretend and view through slash-goggles! :D
moonlightmead
Aug. 6th, 2014 04:25 pm (UTC)
Well, you are the first person in a while (as I said, the timing was incredible) to wonder and to post... :)

Would you mind if, at some wildly unspecified date in the future, I link to this post when I am doing a series of 'things I want to link to'?

Have not forgotten about the rest of the post. My first thoughts are: Riding for the Disabled - wasn't that the charity that Blue Peter funded a pony called Rags for? Named after the sort of appeal - clothes - they ran for it?

And second thoughts: Derbyshire is a very rural county when you get only a few miles out from Derby, and you don't need to be an isolated farm child to know other farm children. If Doyle knew kids from farms on the school bus (and here we get into Doyle's education - was he grammar school, technical college, or what?) then that's an easy way for him to learn on a friend's pony. There might be some tenuous Derbyshire - mining - pit ponies - ponies link. I love the mounted police idea: that's one I have never seen.
natsuko1978
Aug. 6th, 2014 05:19 pm (UTC)
ETA: Yes, by all means go ahead and link to *anything* in this LJ that isn't actually f'locked. The main reason I'm attempting discussions here rather than on any of the comms are (1) being late to the party, therefore convinced people must already have discussed *everything* and (2) fear of inadvertantly causing offense (as with my comments about Bodie's nose a couple of posts back).

I'm afraid I don't remember the Blue Peter thing - as I was between 7 and 12 when I was a volunteer, I mainly remember my days at the Riding School for the hard physical work. For a child especially, saddles and tack, and hoses and brooms for cleaning the stables, and forks for the hay, etc, are all very heavy; and cross-walking the exercise rings picking up stones was no picnic, either.

I have big worries in this fandom about my age and my Soft-Southerner background. :( I'm *so* ignorant about *so* much.

But for Doyle's education, his comment in "In the Public Interest" about going to school - but not *living* - "for a bit" in the unnamed Big City (Birmingham?) around the time when he was "nearly 15", makes me think that maybe - like my Mum and several of her school-friends and cousins - he did his last two years schooling (ie 14-16) in a training/technical college of some description, rather than staying at High/Secondary School.

He could have gone to a Church School, of course, Catholic or CofE. (I don't know anyone who was taught by monks or nuns who went on to *stay* Catholic as an adult, since even compared to mainstream corporal punishment, in the 50s and 60s everyone tells me punishment in Catholic schools was *vicious* - which might account for him believing in *something* but not organised religion.)

He *might* have passed his Eleven Plus. He's the right age for the Butler Tripartite system - so grammar, secondary modern or secondary technical? My Dad *chose* to go to a secondary modern, as he wanted to leave school as soon as he could and start earning, without faffing about with exams. He did not even stay on (two months!) 'til the end of the year and get his School Certificate.

Hmm. Wonder what (if any) qualifications Doyle got? GCE O-Levels, RSAs (Royal Society of Arts), City & Guilds etc etc? :D

What is your head-canon?

Edited at 2014-08-06 05:45 pm (UTC)
moonlightmead
Aug. 6th, 2014 09:33 pm (UTC)
So much to reply to in this post. Argh!

I absolutely get you on the 'late to the party' thing but no! I have found that my thoughts on it are fairly evenly split between 'yes, and?' agreement (from people who arrived five years ago) and 'ooh, I never thought of that!' interest (from people who watched it originally)

As to offence: bah! I think I know the conversations you are talking about and I don't think ali15son or watteaux at all would have taken offence. And there are plenty of other silence watchers who likewise would just have read and gone 'oh, yeah... good point'.

Soft southerner - excuse me while I laugh hollowly. I grew up 300 miles north and my main fear is that I know nothing whatsoever about London. As you may observe, it doesn't actually stop me. But I do honestly look for excuses to bring B&D to places I am more familiar with. Atill.

Education: ahaha. I think this was my first question to one of the comms. I shall dig it out. Yeah, I don't rule out technical college for them. I am sure both lads had the ability to pass the 11+. I also suspect they each had the independence of will deliberately to fail it if they wanted to.

I shall dig out m original post, but I wish you would post this to one of the comms: it's the sort of question that could spark all sorts of responses!

natsuko1978
Aug. 7th, 2014 02:21 am (UTC)
So much to reply to in this post. Argh!

Sorry! :-/ Also so much to reply to in your comments. :D

North/South divides are great, aren't they? I worry about vocabulary, as well as background, but as msmoat and I have been discussing, the writers/producers on the show dropped in American idioms/vocab and also the odd bit of Rhyming Slang, so maybe I shouldn't worry so much. And Doyle with his background in the Met - and undercover - would probably have picked up a bit of cockney lingo, I suppose. But they probably wouldn't talk the way the blokes I grew up around talked - being "brasic/boracic", going off for a "tom-tit", needing a "Jimmy", talking about the "minces" or "Bristols" on a bird, etc.

Even if you "know" London, you probably only know *parts* of it. When Mum's family moved from NW1 (Camden) to N22 (Wood Green) in 1954, she got picked on at school for "talking funny". There can be huge differences between boroughs and even districts in the same borough. Other than the places my family live/grew up, I only know the areas in which I've worked - or where I shopped or went to the theatre etc when I was working. "My" London probably doesn't have much in common with Bodie and Doyle's. There are whole boroughs I don't know *at all*. Especially south of the river and out west much beyond the West End...

That said, "Fall Girl", in particular, always makes me nostalgic for my London days, because of Bodie and Marikka's rendezvous by the open-air theatre in Holland Park. I used to buy a season ticket to Opera Holland Park every summer. Before my accident - when I was fit - I've been to a matinee there, gone into High Street Ken for an early dinner, then walked through Kensington to the Albert Hall, queued for day-seats, and prom'ed at the Proms.

I am sure both lads had the ability to pass the 11+. I also suspect they each had the independence of will deliberately to fail it if they wanted to.
Or to pass it and *still* not take a place at grammar school, either because they didn't want to go there (maybe none of their mates passed, or the kids who were going there were the "weeds", or the gang they were in/their mates older brothers fought with the grammar school boys) or (depending on the family background you give either of them) because their family thought grammar school was a bit posh or nancy and not for their sort or refused/were unable to pay the extra for the uniform etc (which I know did happen for some kids). Or because his dad wanted him to go to his old school, or preferred a "rugby school" to a "football school", or a school where he would come out with a trade instead of "useless" exams, or something. You know?

So many possiblilities. :) The hints canon gives us of their backgrounds gives the fan-writer *so* much scope. Why did Bodie drop out at 14 - was that when he left home, or he drop out *first* and go off to sea later? Willy Russell, the Liverpudlian playwright and screenwriter (Educating Rita, Shirley Valentine etc) talks about how he spent most of his last year at school playing hookey to hang out at The Cavern and listen to The Beatles et al. :) I can see Bodie getting odd jobs from the age of about 12 - paper rounds, running errands, maybe delivering groceries etc - before and after school and thinking school was a waste of time compared to earning hard cash. Or maybe - what with his ability to "do posh" - he started out at private or grammar school but then family circumstances changed and he wanted to - or had to - help out.

*This* is why I love fandom and fanfic. :D
moonlightmead
Aug. 7th, 2014 07:13 am (UTC)
I am looking at all the typos in my previous comment and wondering how you managed to make sense of it at all.

'my thoughts on it' -> 'replies I get to my thoughts on it'
'silence watchers' -> 'silent watchers'
'Atill' -> 'Still'
'm original post' -> 'my original post' (that one was probably obvious)

I hope I didn't post like this all over the rest of LJ or my email. Should not post last thing at night!

On to the actual content...
moonlightmead
Aug. 7th, 2014 07:39 am (UTC)
Brian Clemens' efforts to sell the thing to the states - which apparently included reaching 57 or 59 or whatever it was episodes - do not help, no. I have to find myself imagining that Bodie and Doyle thought it was cool to sound international. Bodie has his merc background overseas, but Doyle, no! Several writers have represented Doyle as having taken a day trip to Boulogne at best. There's a lovely moment in one story where Bodie thinks it will be clever to book a holiday only to find that Doyle has no passport.

I have never heard anyone actually use boracic, minces, Bristols, Jimmy, or tom-tit. I can guess the latter (lovely!), and I know what minces and Bristols are. Where I grew up, London really was a foreign place, and I remember when a Londoner took over a local shop and I was amazed. He talked so strangely, and called people 'darlin'' instead of 'pet' or 'hinny'.

I like your memories of Holland Park. I, naturally enough, don't recognise about 90% of the locations. The Albert Hall, I knew that one, and then I am struggling.

On schooling: aha, here is my post. My first LJ post, I do believe. And LJ was playing up at the time, so hardly anyone could comment, and I was desperately trying to reply to everything when it let me on, hence my comments about 'racing down the replies'.

http://the-safehouse.livejournal.com/1117190.html

Someone did a great little piece about Bodie and the merchant navy and the actual historical background: http://hatstand.slashcity.net/charinfo/navy.html

I agree with you about Bodie doing odd jobs and errands: I once had him carrying the bets to the (not then legal) local bookmaker, a thing which used to happen when he was a teenager. I think I'm right in saying that when Bodie and Doyle were at school, the official leaving age was 15, not 16, so leaving at 14 is not nearly as shocking as it sounds to people now.

One thing I am not sure of, actually: were they of an age to expect to do national service? Must go and look that up.

How have writers treated schooling, hmm... Maddalia wrote a Big Bang story which gives Bodie a few years at a boarding school following changes in his family fortunes (widowed father remarries; new stepmother has money to send Bodie off) and a reason to leave at 14 (bad things happen at school; dad signs papers for Bodie to go to cadet school instead). O Yardley has some stories in which Bodie's mother is a member of a very grand family indeed but was cast out when she married for love; when the family discover the existence of Bodie, they are determined that he should have A Proper Education. I am not sure that these are online, though. They may be zine-only (somewhere in the Unprofessional Conduct series). Doyle often gets a delinquent childhood in his teenage years because of the references in ITPI to 'cutting up another kid with a knife', and 'needing some discipline'.

And yes, the ability to spin multiple backgrounds and possibilities, I love it too!
natsuko1978
Aug. 7th, 2014 11:13 am (UTC)
Cockney Rhyming Slang: Boracic (pronounced "brasic") Lint = skint; Jimmy Riddle = Piddle; Tom-tit I think you guessed (My Dad used to put his paper under his arm when he got up from the breakfast table and announce, "Right! I'm off for a tom-tit." His expression for someone careful with money was/is also, "He's tight as arseholes!" As Mum says, what a lovely turn of phrase! :D) Scapa ("Scarper") is also rhyming slang - Scapa Flow = Go! Bread and Honey (bread) = money; plates of meat = feet; loaf of bread (Use your loaf!) = head; dickie bird = word; Hank Marvin = starvin'; butcher's hook = look; boat race (as in "Cor blimey, what's with the boat on you?!") = face; barnet fair = hair; tea leaf = thief... all these and many more were/are thrown around in London and the Essex borders. They were just part of my vocabulary. :D

I think I'm right in saying that when Bodie and Doyle were at school, the official leaving age was 15, not 16,

I've just done some more research and I'm annoyed (not at you). My Mum (b. 1947) and my Guide to the Law told me that it was 16 from the early '60s, following the 1962 Education Act, so I've been going off that. But having only now looked it up to double check before replying, that Act did not get implemented until 1972! Mum was convinced the Leaving Age was 16 - maybe because she and so many people she knew went to college at 14 for two years to get a job qualification or trade: secretarial, book-keeping, plumbing, gas-fitting, hair-dressing etc etc; the equivalent of modern NVQs rather than staying in school and doing O-levels etc.

Dad *did* leave school as soon as he turned 15 (May 1951), as I said, not even staying two months to the end of the academic year to get his School Certificate. When they talk about schooling and upbringing, Mum usually claims it was very different by her day, but then as well as the 11 year age gap (and pre- and post-war makes it virtually a generation gap), she was an only child, not the 7th of 10 (9th if you count the two who died in infancy) and North London was and is a bit different from East London. There's a bit of a working class/lower-middle class gap, too, between their families (Dad's family lived on an LCC Council Estate (10 kids in a 3-up, 2-down - I remember the occasional get-together there and even as a little kid, found the front room too small for Dad and his brothers), Mum's in a private-rented 2-bed, 2 living rooms, maisonette (and my Nan had quite a snobbish attitude towards Council Housing - when, as a little kid, I innocently asked whether the Council paid, she got quite offended and angry!).

Dad earned 30 bob a week (£1 10/) in his first job, but when he started National Service in 1954 that went down to £1 a week from the Army after deductions. (The last call up to National Service was in December 1960.)

I'm also annoyed at myself because everything I worked out for Bodie's age was based on his comments in "A Stirring of Dust" about being in the third form twenty years before. I took that to mean he was 7 or 8 and born in 1950 - but again from my double-checking, third form Juniors, then, did not count Infants, so he was actually 9 or 10. Agh! Do you think I have to change everything, or can I stick with a 1950 birthdate, do you think? I had *so* much worked out for 1950 - with Doyle three years older (fanon/fic seems to have have him from one to three years older) born in 1947. Damn, damn, damn!
moonlightmead
Aug. 7th, 2014 02:52 pm (UTC)
Don't sweat it at all! Yes, keep the dates you have picked. Pros fandom has spent years working out how Bodie and Doyle's chronologies can possibly work, and the short answer is: really, they can't. You have to change something.

Doyle must have had the fastest career progression ever known in the Met, and there's a question about how he would have ended up in the Met at all if he began outside London. And we have to fit 'working in a shop' or whatever it is in there, too. (And the art classes.) And it is hilarious to me that Bodie was in Angola at just the wrong time for the civil war (as I said, margaret_r did a lot of work on this) - he can't really have been a mercenary in the Angolan civil wars, so what was he up to?

You have done your research, come up with a take on their history, and come up with a storyline that presumably uses that. Go for it! Some of the most well-known stories in Pros are semi-canon-based at best: Ellis Ward gives Doyle a circus performer background in Harlequin Airs, and there's a series - is it by PR Zed? - that have Bodie the child of an alcoholic. I won't spoil the surprise, but Doyle has an unusual family background in istia's Night Visit, and Bodie's childhood is the explanation for some of what happens in Helen Raven's Heat-Trace; Doyle is the product of a similar background in Angelfish's All Those Years (I think that's the one). Draycevixen has a story that involves Bodie growing up in Gloucestershire as much as Liverpool.

And they are all great stories, and the fact that they don't all involve Bodie leaving school at 14 or Doyle having quite the family Brian Clemens imagined for them is not just something the stories 'overcome'; it is in fact what makes those stories what they are.

Give them a new not-quite-Clemens background and enjoy it. He ignored his own background notes anyway. (See email.) Why can't we?

On a related note: some of the early circuit stories were written by people who did not know, could not remember, or chose to disregard, the order the episodes were broadcast. It's very strange reading Rob's Waiting To Fall and recognising elements in it and thinking 'But... but... shouldn't that happen before that? And this person didn't show up before this event...' But she's far from the only one who does that. It's just that Waiting to Fall is so long that it really hits you.

Edited at 2014-08-07 02:52 pm (UTC)
natsuko1978
Aug. 7th, 2014 04:03 pm (UTC)
Draycevixen has a story that involves Bodie growing up in Gloucestershire as much as Liverpool.

Did you see my note a few entries ago about Prince William of Gloucester - apologising for having said previously (I think to you) that Bodie's, "All the princes, I was such a regal-looking baby," line seemed a bit weird given the actual names of contemporary British princes? Maybe his family was connected to the Duke of Gloucester etc in some way? (A school friend of mine's dad worked for the Duke of Westminster - I think as land-agent or something - after all, and that family, while comfortably middle class, were not truly "posh". They lived just down the road to us.) :D

A great deal of my BB fic actually deals with Doyle's pre-Met history - one of my head-canons to explain the various facts and statements made about it. :D

And it is hilarious to me that Bodie was in Angola at just the wrong time for the civil war (as I said, margaret_r did a lot of work on this) - he can't really have been a mercenary in the Angolan civil wars, so what was he up to?

Well, if Enrico Krivas was Portuguese, maybe he put together a band to fight *for* the Portuguese authorities against the various Liberation/Independence insurgents in the 1961-1975 struggle for freedom from White Rule? Which is why Benny can't go back to Angola but took citizenship as papers of convenience?

Though I've always wondered - it has to be 6 years or so (Paras and SAS) since he was with Krivas' mob. So how did Bodie know where Benny's "wife" lived and that he had a kid of "about three"??

As you say, Clemens' background info doesn't add up.

And which Congo did Bodie fight in? The former French one (Republic of the Congo - which was Communist): 1965 connections with USSR, China, N Korea and N Vietnam, leading to 1968 bloodless coup d'etat? Or the former Belgian one (Democratic Republic of the Congo): 1965 post-independence coup supported financially by the USA and Belgium in which Mobutu's soldiers were paid privately?

So say - '64 in Merchant Navy (lied about his age? Argh! he was supposed to be there for 3 years according to Mather. Damn.), bouncer in a club, then gun-running in DR Congo in '65 (or Congo-Brazzaville in '68?), then into Angola, then Congo jail, escaped back to UK (when?), then Paras and SAS?

But how do Biafra (which only existed '67-'70) and Jordan (1967 Six-Day War? The June 1970 - July '71 fighting between government and Palestinian militias?) fit in? And how on *earth* does *East* Africa (Old Dog... dialogue about the doctor who used to take his pulse) come into it when all the countries we know about are in *West* Africa?

And... Keller in Kickback said, "Essential to determine status of former SAS sergeant. Active service record seventy-one to seventy-six. His name is Bodie. B-O-D-I-E." Is the '71 to '76 Bodie's service dates in the *Army*, or just the SAS?

And also, in "Close Quarters" (1977) Bodie and Doyle have been partners for 2 years 3 months. Did Bodie do a year in CI5 while still *active* in the SAS?

It always gets me just *how* episodic the show was. You could miss an episode (or more) with no problem, as there was no story continuity. Different DVD issues even have the episodes in different orders (my Series 1 and 2 sets are in Transmission Order, my "season" 3 and 4 sets in *production* order. Consequently I am missing Runner and Stopover - which annoys me b/c Stopover especially, has some great interaction moments/scenes.) But things which happen in one episode are never mentioned again outside of the episode - except in fic!

It must have been tough for the earliest writers with poor quality videos (if that) and no net to turn to for information. Lucky us!
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