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writersblock is back!

And the first question is strangely apt given my recent 70s/80s nostaligia and The Professionals fandom. :)

There's a lot of nostalgia around old franchises coming back right now. Movies, TV shows, even action figures! What's something from your childhood that you wish would come back? Why?

Heh. :D Thing is, Pros never really went away and Lord knows I have *no* desire for them to make a film or re-make *now*. I want Martin, Lewis and Gordon, thank you very much, and only Martin is still with us, except on DVD and ITV4. (Gordon's war films and Prime of Miss Jean Brodie days are often on (not to mention ITV3 repeating the whole of Upstairs, Downstairs not so long ago) and I've seen several of Martin's old films on Movies4Men and MovieMix, but no LC as yet. ::sadface:: And Martin with Russian and American accents is a bit surreal IMO. I found The Hound of the Baskervilles actually unwatchable. I know Henry Baskerville was an American but Martin sounded like he had been badly dubbed. Even if his three-piece suits and "American" hats were kinda cute. ;) )

Also, in one of those strange coincidences, msmoat rec'ed There's an Old Mill... (by my fave comfort-read O. Yardley) only two days before quarryquest posted this pic of a holiday let Norfolk Mill. :D (Though that isn't the one O. Yardley had in mind. With the proximity of Aylesham, it seems like Cawston Road Tower Mill though that was not a holiday let in the 80s... Artistic license or has anyone found the actual Mill?)

Oh and two little things, as I'm here:

(1) I've seen a lot in fic about Cowley's use of booze as a pain killer without seeing the (to me) obvious point: with any chronic injury prone to giving gyp, half your problem is muscle spasm around the site of the injury itself. Alcohol is not brilliant as a pain-killer, actually, (taking enough to numb pain has the same side-effects as prescription pain-killers, on both your liver and your cognitive functions) but as a non-prescription (muscle) relaxant, it *is* excellent. :D

(2) Is it me, or are there a dearth of fics mentioning Bodie's relationships with those two great Winter Warmers of the North West (also beloved of London school dinners and canteens) Lancashire Hot Pot and Scouse?

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quarryquest
Dec. 18th, 2014 08:55 am (UTC)
If you are looking for specific mills people could have had holidays in in Norfolk this might help:

http://www.norfolkmills.co.uk/news/accommodation.html
natsuko1978
Dec. 18th, 2014 09:54 am (UTC)
Thanks - but I'd already found that site! I found the Cawston Road mill I linked to above, through it. :D

Thanks for your snapshot of the Burnham Overy Staithe mill, though - that brought back happy memories of holidays in Norfolk (2014 is the first year I haven't even managed a day trip into Norfolk! ::sadface::) and driving through and around the Burnhams. I love all the old mills that are still standing in East Anglia! :D

I'm trying to "find" a mill from a specific fic - with a few Norfolk place and river names to go by - and I'm not even sure the Mill in the story is a real place, you know? As I said, there's one that looks likely - but it wasn't a holiday home at the time of the fic, which again could be the author just having fun, rather than referencing a real place.
ali15son
Dec. 18th, 2014 09:11 am (UTC)
i just have to say a plate of scouse or lancashire hot pot is one of my favourites (see i'm flying the flag for the north west here) having made some the other day ...... wow good old heart food x
natsuko1978
Dec. 18th, 2014 09:46 am (UTC)
Heh. I'm vegetarian, but I love veggie versions of all those hearty traditional dishes we have (using lentils or beans, not "meat substitute" Quorn or whatever): hot-pots, stews, broths or just a nice thick root vegetable soup full of onions, carrots, potatoes and swede.

I had the second day of a big pan of Scotch Broth I made, yesterday, which is what got me thinking how I can't remember seeing any fics where Bodie is nostalgic for (or even remembers with loathing!) the Lancashire hot-pot or Scouse his Mam, or Gran, or Auntie used to make. Or complains about the version in the canteen not being right. Or asks Doyle to make him some. Or Doyle just does it because Bodie has a stinking cold, or has been having a rough time and is need of good old rib-sticking comfort grub. Or Doyle brings a thermos of Scouse or Broth to their obbo. Etc.

There must be some fic, somewhere, featuring this!

They aren't even unhealthy if you use lean meat (or none!) and perfect food for long, dark, cold, wet, winter days.
heliophile_oxon
Dec. 18th, 2014 10:45 am (UTC)
Currently reduced to a whimpering, coughing wreck by a full-bore dose of flu (hoping - irrationally - that the severity means it will be over soon) but when I get my appetite back that's just the comfort food I could go for!
Also, totally agree re re-makes (nonono I don't want remakes!!!)
natsuko1978
Dec. 19th, 2014 02:08 pm (UTC)
What you want right now is a nice mug of hot lemon and ginger (grated, not ground) with a good slug of Scotch in it. And honey. Kills those flu germs dead. (Sounds like drinking Domestos, but I'm a believer. And port and brandy for a gyppy tum.) Or lemon & ginger "tea" or echinachea "tea" (available from Holland & Barratt).

Mum knew a man in his 90s who swore he'd never had flu and put it down to a spoonful of honeycomb every day of his life.

Worst thing of flu is it takes longer to get *over* it than to have it. You have my sympathies and healing vibes. Hope you feel better soonest. And yes - good, slow cooked, hearty, comfort food - good for what ails you!
moonlightmead
Dec. 18th, 2014 05:33 pm (UTC)
Hound of the Baskervilles - dubbed, surely? I know, pointless.

As for the mill, could be a real one, could be not. O Yardley certainly did do stories based on places or things she knew. There is a zine-only one with a Scottish name (I forget, something about bean na ballach) which is a snowy winter story which takes place in a croft at the end of a very specific road, and I am convinced that's from driving the thing in the snow. And there's another zine-only one involving an astronomy summer school (hmm, summer and short nights doesn't make as much sense as you'd hope! but anyway -) which is based on actual courses. So maybe...?
natsuko1978
Dec. 19th, 2014 02:46 pm (UTC)
I don't think my brain can quite cope with keeping an actor cast in a role but dubbing his speech with another actor speaking the same language... Especially when it's *bad* dubbing. :(
byslantedlight
Dec. 19th, 2014 12:09 am (UTC)
I agree - I don't want new Pros (I don't even want The New Professionals which already exists *g*), just our lads! They were what made the characters them, after all!

Martin had been badly dubbed in Hound of the Baskervilles - they didn't like his American accent or something, which is such a shame because it would have been hugely preferable to that dubbing! Oddly enough I re-watched it myself not long ago, and it didn't grate on me quite as much as it did the first time...but still. I love MS in Intrigue with a Russian accent though! It's probably pretty bad if you're actually Russian, but I think he made a great baddie!

Cowley's use of booze as a pain killer without seeing the (to me) obvious point
Oh, I think it's just supposed to be traditionally taken to dull pain, no matter what other effects it might have had. And I suspect our knowledge of its real effects is pretty recent - as you say, it's a good muscle relaxant... *g* That was probably it really, the pleasure of that to take his mind off the other...

Is it me or are there a dearth of fics mentioning Bodie's relationships with those two great Winter Warmers of the North West (also beloved of London school dinners and canteens) Lancashire Hot Pot and Scouse?
This made me blink! I don't particularly expect to see fics mentioning Bodie having a relationship with scouse or Lancashire hot pot, so I reckon it's just you... *g* I guess it depends what kind of background we want Bodie to have. In my head he's generally from a pretty good background, and probably wouldn't have had things like scouse and hot pot. And if he did, it was the sort of thing that was just food and went unremarked compared to other food he might like better... Or probably he'd've just called them stew if he'd been around people from other places (cos Africa and mercenary-ing) who called it that. That said, I'm pretty sure I have seen scouse in the odd fic - in fact I may even have used it myself, though I couldn't tell you where... There's lots of brilliant '80s food that should be referenced in fics too - prawn cocktail (and avocado cocktail, come to that!), and coq au vin, and beef bourguignon, and... Fun to think about! Plus now I'd like a really good (veggie *g*) stew/hotpot/scouse... *g*
natsuko1978
Dec. 19th, 2014 02:41 pm (UTC)
I don't particularly expect to see fics mentioning Bodie having a relationship with scouse or Lancashire hot pot, so I reckon it's just you... *g* I guess it depends what kind of background we want Bodie to have. In my head he's generally from a pretty good background, and probably wouldn't have had things like scouse and hot pot.

Given that Stephen Fry reckoned that the food in the Young Offenders prison he was sent to was just like public school food...

I'm pretty solidly middle class, no matter what Dad was growing up, and I grew up with things like Ox-tail soup, Hot-Pot, Irish Stew, Scotch Broth, shank of lamb, stews and casseroles. At home and for school dinners. Even in the 80s we didn't have central heating or double glazing (a childhood memory is of scratching the ice off the *inside* of the window panes with a fingernail) and there was nothing like coming in from school half-frozen from the walk to a steamy kitchen and something bubbling away on a nothing gas. (And Mum could also do a great 4 or 5 course dinner party meal when Dad brought business contacts home, so it wasn't like that was all she knew how to cook. :D)

My nice middle-class Church School had Spam, mash and cabbage (with lumpy gravy); Lancashire Hot-Pot; bangers mash and beans; and other "traditional" British dishes on the school dinners rota (Fridays were *always* fish, chips and mushy peas) in the 80s and 90s. Not to mention Bernard Matthews turkey and chicken "rolls" though I was a few years before chicken nuggets and turkey twislers. (Since school meal policy was a vegetable, a meat and a starch one blessed regular on the rota I will never forget was tinned beef ravioli - with mushy peas.)

Given we still had rationing long after the war as well as GCH and double glazing lying in the future - not to mention that people living a big house out of town were *less* likely to be on mains water, gas and electric than those on an LCC housing estate (when David Cameron started talking about access to broadband for every house, plenty of people wrote to the national papers about how their farm or village still wasn't on the Mains, so maybe he could do something about that first?!) and in the 80s I knew people with no electric, whose gas was delivered in big Calor tanks and whose water was pumped into holding tanks with the waste going into a septic tank which needed emptying periodically - I find it heard to imagine that Bodie didn't grow up with good, hearty, rib-sticking grub, even if it wasn't from motives of economy.

We know from canon that Bodie likes traditional puddings as well as Swiss Roll (spotted dick in "First Night") and chose a hot meal from the canteen, even in summer.

And my Dad may have eaten at fine dining restaurants all over the world, when he used to travel for work - but he still likes a bowl of jellied eels with lots of vinegar, as a hold-over from his East End boyhood. So the food you ate as kid, in my experience, stays with you.

There *have* been fics dealing with his memories of Mam's, Gran's or Auntie's cooking and baking - whether hated or loved - and Scouse and Lancashire Hot Pot are up there with Cornish Pasties for locals telling the rest of the country we're doing it wrong, in my experience. :D

But I agree with you on the 70s and 80s dinner party standards! Beef Wellington or Beef Olives anyone (oh the memories of Mum whacking the hell out of beef with a metal meat-tenderiser to flatten it for rolling into "olives"). And Black Forest Gateau. And cheesecake topped with jelly with fruit set in it! Thing that gets me is prawn cocktails, beef Wellingtons and things are coming back in the gastro-pubs!

If you happen to come across those "scouse reference" fics, could you bung a link my way? (I don't have the CD ROM or any zines.) Thanks. :)
byslantedlight
Dec. 19th, 2014 03:34 pm (UTC)
This is the most food-ish icon I have! *g*

Given that Stephen Fry reckoned that the food in the Young Offenders prison he was sent to was just like public school food...
Oh yeah, well mass-cooking is the same everywhere - but if we're comparing attitudes I don't suppose Bodie would have talked about that kind of scouse/hot-pot!

Even in the 80s we didn't have central heating or double glazing (a childhood memory is of scratching the ice off the *inside* of the window panes with a fingernail)
Oh I remember that from the mid- and even late eighties. It was well into the 1990s (or maybe later in fact) that my mum's council house was given any kind of central heating. We had a coal fire to heat hot water for all that time - and Calor gas bottles for the cooker! Actually my central heating here in my new place runs on Calor gas bottles! Even in Australia as kids we used to watch out for Jack Frost in the mornings... *g* And I don't remember thinking anything about it being so cold, that's just how it was!

My imagined-Bodie's background is more than middle-class, but not quite Stephen Fry (*g*). I think that even if he had that sort of food as a kid, they wouldn't have called it scouse. The other thing I remember is that people with any pretension to rise above their class looked down on things like scouse - now it's been gentrified to a certain extent, but I remember a real split between who claimed to have eaten it and who turned their nose up at it. So I'm not sure that Bodie would particularly talk about it, except perhaps in very private, unguarded moments... So even if I go the other way, and imagine Bodie from a poor or working class background, I'm not sure he'd've referred to it in London where he dates debs and so on. *g*

I did a quick search of my ProsLib CD, and came up with

Absence Makes the Heart Grow Fonder by Gloria Lancaster - probably on the Circuit Archive and (original) Hatstand - for Bodie ordering someone hotpot at a pub (might have been him, I need to work (and stop repling on lj *g*) before I'm allowed to read.

If I come across others I'll let you know! Trouble with searching for scouse is that it comes up with every reference to accents... (I recommend getting the CD though - much fab reading, much of it not online!

Right - I must work! *g*
natsuko1978
Dec. 19th, 2014 04:44 pm (UTC)
My imagined-Bodie's background is more than middle-class, but not quite Stephen Fry

But Stephen Fry - and, indeed, Benedict Cumberbatch - *is* middle-class. Upper-middle-class, yes, but definitely not *upper* class. So perhaps we're disagreeing on what "middle class" is.

(Which reminds me of the row I had with my Mum last week, when she claimed we weren't "well off" in the '80s. We had a four-bed, detached house and garden, in the suburbs - and had it for thirty years! in spite of interest rates and the mortgage - a car (just one until 1989, true, but Uncle Ron's family had five kids in a 3-up/2-down semi; and no car: I remember my bedroom being bigger than the one his two daughters shared - if one of them was at the wardrobe or dressing table the other had to sit on her bed, as there wasn't room to stand if the wardrobe doors were open or the stool pulled out), we went away to Devon or Norfolk or Scotland or Yorkshire for our holidays, got our school uniforms new from "Shatins" not from Woolworths or the school second hand shop. I had a Sindy Town House that was taller than I was. Dad was never out of work and worked in the City - he voted for Mrs Thatcher! And strikes and unions and labour relations (especially up North and in Wales) meant a few inconveniences not family unemployment or poverty. Not "well off" maybe, but that depends on how you define it - we were a damn long way from "hard up". I think it says a lot that I didn't know *anyone* who went to the Comp at 11 - we all went to fee-paying schools, grammar school or church schools - and quite a few of the church schools were also fee-paying. And Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and Hindu kids *also* went to various secondary Church Schools.)
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