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Pondering Bodie

In "Kickback" Keller says Bodie's active service record was 71 to 76 (presumably Army generally, not just SAS and presumably those are years?)

Now I know continuity was never a major concern of the writers and editors, but...

In "Close Quarters" (Autumn, filmed in November, 1977) Bodie and Doyle have been partners, "Two years, three months". You could argue that Bodie was tranferred/seconded while still technically Army to Cowley's newly formed department in 1975, I suppose.

But more of a huh (to me anyway) is that in "Where the Jungle Ends" not only does Bodie know where Benny Marsh's "old lady" lives, but also knows about their child who is "about three". Has he been keeping tabs since 1971? Or even before?

(The last they heard of him, he was "rotting in a Congo jail" and from what he said to Colin Meredith in "Stopover" (BODIE: I know everything about it, Meredith. We all do. Only some of us don't keep talking about it, right?) we might gather that he was held by either Communist rebels in the former Belgian Congo (DRC/Zaire/Congo-Leopoldville/Congo-Kinshasha) during the conflict of 1960-65 or (more likely) by the People's Republic of the Congo (aka Congo-Brazzaville, formerly the French Congo, today's Republic of the Congo).

I know there's a Bodie timeline on the Hatstand, but I'm doing my own. I would, however, be interested in what any of you guys think.

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sc_fossil
Feb. 9th, 2015 11:33 pm (UTC)
I always found the idea of that child being "about three" quite amusing. The kid looks maybe 18 months old or younger. :)
natsuko1978
Feb. 10th, 2015 03:47 am (UTC)
I need to watch the episode again because somehow I got it into my head there were two children in the flat... maybe just because I agreed with your assessment of the howling toddler, however. :(
sc_fossil
Feb. 10th, 2015 02:35 pm (UTC)
You could be right about two kids because the one in her arms isn't nearly three. :)
kiwisue
Feb. 10th, 2015 02:29 am (UTC)
I a looking at this post, and your preceding ones, and wondering why I haven't friended your journal before now! I am currently at work but I have loads of lists and links, and the Hatstand timelines are interesting but there is much more in-depth discussion and history-probing on various lj comms more recently (stop me if you already have those links as well).

In particular for Bodie and Cowley I have notes, loads and loads. I just have to get away from the spreadsheets *g*...
natsuko1978
Feb. 10th, 2015 03:45 am (UTC)
Having just seen your LJ's Title, I feel I should link you to this post: http://natsuko1978.livejournal.com/152378.html

;)

Quite possibly you never friended me because I only post here and you never knew I existed?

I've never probed past posts on the comms, I admit, partly because if there's an awkward way to do things I will find it. Also looking stuff up for myself is *fun*. Heh. Research! Facts!

Please feel free to probe the tags and comment on any post you feel like adding to, though. Thanks for commenting. :)


kiwisue
Feb. 10th, 2015 07:47 am (UTC)
I feel I should link you to this post:

Ha! I shall try not to dwell on that too much ;)

Also looking stuff up for myself is *fun*. Heh. Research! Facts!

Definitely a kindred spirit! Right, I have found my Cowley notes, I shall be off to that entry.
natsuko1978
Feb. 11th, 2015 10:06 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for sharing such detailed notes with me! That's so kind!
kiwisue
Feb. 11th, 2015 10:09 am (UTC)
A good excuse to bring them out of hiding, so thank you!
moonlightmead
Feb. 10th, 2015 05:18 pm (UTC)
Hey you! I meant to point you at the Cowley one last week, after the discussion in August (?), so I am glad you found it, since apparently I forgot :)
kiwisue
Feb. 11th, 2015 10:11 am (UTC)
I must have felt the vibes...
moonlightmead
Feb. 10th, 2015 05:27 pm (UTC)
How Bodie knows about the three year old child of someone he hasn't seen for years is one of the better plot holes in Pros - and terrifically easy to fill in with paranoia and speculation, too :)

I don't know whether you have the Proslib CD? On it is Brian Clemens's background notes on Bodie and Doyle, and I think on the formation of CI5, too. I can send you a copy of that file, if you want? (These notes are, inevitably, completely incompatible with 'Operation Impossible' or whatever it is - his short story of Bodie and Doyle first meeting and working together - and all of them - different versions of notes, and Op Whatever - with actual canon. It all adds to the fun.

At one stage in the annuals there is a note about Bodie's background changing every time he tells it - hinting that we are not to believe everything he says - and I am sure this is because Clemens has realised that actually, none of it hangs together. At all.

I like to think I enjoy fitting these things together, but when they are so hopelessly incompatible, I actually get irritated and think 'I am not doing the research to put this stuff together, because it is abundantly clear that the writers didn't. I'm just going to make his background up according to what I want for each new fic. So there' :)

For my current story on the go, I have given Doyle a slightly unorthodox background, but there is nothing whatsoever to disprove it, and I reckon it's entirely justifiable. Credible, perhaps not, but justifiable, oh yes :)
natsuko1978
Feb. 10th, 2015 08:11 pm (UTC)
Many thanks for the thought. No, I don't have the CD and really, I don't think I want the notes - not *yet* anyway. There are enough continuity issues on-screen! I'd rather create my own character backgrounds from episode canon and research just at the moment. And I've never read "Operation Impossible" either. Part of me wonders if I'm better off without it. (In canon discussions in my other fandoms we've argued long and loud about the value of information given in on-screen props - ID cards, computer files etc - vs dialogue and which takes priority. (e.g. If a character says he's forty in 1997, but his ID card, seen on-screen, given him a 1952 d.o.b, how old is he really? Also, could someone really make USAF full-bird colonel before they were 40? etc) If we add novelisations and background notes, I think the result would be me getting hopelessly entangled!) But, seriously, thank you!

In the BB that fizzled out last year (I never finished it after my flare up got in the way), I had great fun with riffing on Doyle's "living off a rich woman" (as mentioned in First Night - and also Bodie's "Trust you" in Hijack about Deborah having a rich father providing her flat/mews). And as I've said in a previous post, where and when Doyle learned to ride can provide interesting fodder, too. His Grandpa Doyle as an Irish Gypsy/Traveller? Doyle as an amateur jockey in his youth (I bet he could have made the weights at 17)? Mounted riot police in the Met?

I kind of love the fact that we don't know everything - and are free to riff and imagine and be unorthodox. It's what makes reading and writing fanfic quite *so* rich and interesting IMO. (Looking forward to reading your fic, contents and mental health permitting!) Head-canons are fascinating! Especially if you can create a different background with every fic.

My Bodie notes, so far, I'm building from Keller and Geraldine Mather (who presumably had access to someting vaguely official?).

(I also rather think "You were in Belfast, weren't you?" in ODwNT might well have been Doyle trying to get Bodie going about the actions we took out there in the early 70s. Bloody Sunday etc.) Snark.

(And have you read Roger McGough's series of poems about PC Plod? Put a lot more snide insinuation in Bodie's comments about coppers, if he knows them.)
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