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Three J/D Fanfiction Questions

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1. Right now I'm really looking for some special Jack/Daniel First Time fics. They are a real weakness of mine.
    Any recommendations; what are YOUR favourite first times?

2. I keep seeing Cowardly Lion aka chattycatsmeow  on SG-1 comms, commenting on my Friends' LJs and on the f-lists of people I "know" or respect. However, I do not think I've seen her on any of the recs lists I tend to rely on...

    Since I tend to get pretty hot under the collar about fics which are clunky, OC or just plain BAD -  especially fics which could be GOOD if the writer only had a decent beta-reader/editor (grammatical errors, tense problems, a few inappropriate descriptions or a couple lines of poor dialogue etc are all it takes to throw me right out of a story, since I end up focussing on how I'd edit or improve it... or mentally re-writing the whole thing) - I'm nervous about going in blind.

Can anyone tell me about her and her fics? What do YOU think? (Feel free to Message if you'd prefer.) Any recommendations?

3.   Other than those where the sex is bad or goes wrong, can anyone recommend or refer me to slash fics with an R or NC-17 rating which do NOT involve anal sex at some point? Particularly any which involve a discussion ABOUT anal sex and a decision not to do it? Do they EXIST?

Stephen Fry, the British writer, broadcaster, actor and wit - who IS homosexual - says in his autobiography, "Buggery [i.e. sodomy, i.e. anal sex] is far less prevalent in the gay world than people suppose. Anal sex is probably not much more common in homosexual encounters than it is in heterosexual.
"Buggery is not at the end of the yellow brick road somewhere over the homosexual rainbow, it is not the prize, the purpose, the goal or the fulfillment of homosexuality. Buggery is not the achievement which sees homosexuality move from becoming into being; buggery is not homosexuality's realisation or destiny. Buggery is as much a necessary condition of homosexuality as the ownership of a Volvo estate car is a necessary condition of middle-class family life, linked irretrievably only in the minds of the witless and the cheap. The performance of buggery is no more inevitable a part of homosexuality than an orange syllabub is an inevitable part of a dinner: some may clamour for it and instantly demand a second helping, some are not interested, some decide they will try it once and then instantly vomit.
"There are plenty of other things to be got up to in the homosexual world outside the orbit of the anal ring..." (Moab is my Washpot, pp. 197-198, my emphasis.)

Jack/Daniel is the only slash I read, but from comments in fanficrants and my experience of J/D fan fiction thus far it seems that there is an awful lot - a disproportionate amount - of anal sex, rimming, bdsm and D/s in even "plotty" slash-fics. Even where there is a lot of foreplay, love-making and oral sex, sooner or later it seems that one male partner must "fuck" - i.e. PENETRATE (as if all the rest of it ISN'T sex) - the other.

However, I've read a far bit of "het" - both fanfiction and professional - I've also worked WITH a writer renowned for her sex scenes; and even the PWP by no means focuses on either vaginal penetration or kinks. Anal sex is - in my experience - RARE in "het": but as Stephen Fry points out a little later in the book, ANY sex act performed  in homosexual encounters is statistically likely to go on more often in heterosexual encounters - the sheer numbers make it so, as 90-95% of the population are heterosexual.

So... is Stephen Fry's point of view reflected at all in the available fan-fiction, or are (the vast majority of) slash writers "the witless and the cheap"?


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Oct. 9th, 2008 11:27 am (UTC)
I'm going to have to come back to this later but....

1. I'll rec some stuff.

2. I don't know and haven't read chattycatsmeow in part because uh, I don't know her. Hah.

3. I mostly write NC-17 fic without anal sex. Lots of masturbation. Again, I'll provide recs later.
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Oct. 11th, 2008 04:59 pm (UTC)
1. If you are not happy to recommend her and her fics, that seems to tell its own story. As for not reading badfic, as you pointed out regarding my "More Than Beer and Pizza", a fic can need a lot of work without being a badfic per se. :)

2. I use your Rec List - in fact I'm working my through it systematically. Unfortunately, it's sorted by writer rather than theme - I was hoping to get some first time recs to the top of that list...
As it is, I'll stick to systematically rather than confuse myself. Thanks anyway.

3. Okay, to clarify, if I had issues with anal sex, I'd have said so. The only sex I WON'T read is bdsm.

I read Fry's autobiography long before I read any slash, and this passage stuck with me for various reasons: as a result, it is something I've WONDERED about while exploring slash. It IS something which Fry has reflected in the attitudes of bi and gay characters in some of his novels.

Personally, I don't really understand the attitude of 69 and other sex act as "not fucking". To my mind, sex is sex and does not have to include penetration - if an act takes place between two (or more) people and results in orgasm surely that IS sex.

Thanks for commenting.
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Oct. 10th, 2008 10:41 am (UTC)
I would agree with that on the whole. Um, I don't think I really follow that convention because I figure graphically described sex is graphically described sex, but I'd say that R tends to be hand jobs whereas NC-17 is more often than not anal sex.

I so need to have time to go grab my rec list!!! I do tag for first time, blow jobs, and masturbation. *pets del.ici.ous*
Oct. 11th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
I'm with you - though it's useful to know.

In TMNT-dom when Qurtermane's "Tender Muscles" (Mikey self-gratifies while April watches, also masturbating) was rated R, some people complained.

Sex acts are sex acts.
Oct. 11th, 2008 01:57 am (UTC)
Jack/Daniel first time recs here!

I'm fond of:
Shedding Light (NC-17) by paian
Hunt and Peck (R) by CK
Feels Like the First Time (NC-17) by Carron
And, heh, my own The Advantages of Mind Reading (R)

But I recommend everything on my rec list.
Oct. 11th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
*GRINS* Thank you!

*Goes exploring*
Oct. 11th, 2008 12:42 pm (UTC)
I can't think of any off hand with a discussion about anal sex in which they decide not to have anal sex, but here are fics with sex acts that are not anal sex.

Masturbation Fics
Cold Calling (R) by Jane Davitt
Making Friendly with the Natives (NC-17) by muck_a_luck
Bedfellows (R) by Em
Choiceless (NC-17) by Em

Blow Jobs
Good Tea (NC-17) by Em
Some Alien Virus (NC-17) by Em
Bruised (R) by Em

I probably have more lurking, but those are the ones I can immediately identify from my tags.

Hope that helps!
Oct. 11th, 2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
And thanks again!

It's good to know, not least because I know that I would not be comfortable WRITING anal sex. I don't feel I know enough about it.
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