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Meta Meme (ganked from ivy_chan

The first ten people responding to this post will get a piece of thought-provoking meta on the subject (hopefully fannish) of their choice.

Not that I really expect ten people, but there you go. :D

And if I get 11, I won't leave anyone out. (And feel free to ask more than one thing of me.)

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theemdash
Jul. 30th, 2010 06:18 pm (UTC)
I'm in for it. Any chance you can discuss slash across fandoms? That's a topic that's been in my head a lot recently. (If not, let me know and I'll throw something else at you.)
natsuko1978
Jul. 31st, 2010 01:35 am (UTC)
Funnily enough I was actually working on a "What is it about slash?" perspective piece. :)

I'm not really sure how much my piece will be "across fandoms" though, as (a) I'm only active in three fandoms and (b) I only really read/write John/Rodney and Jack/Daniel. It isn't so much an OTP thing, as an "I love what slash writers do with these characters" thing (I also love gen/friendship fics with those pairs).

If a somewhat limited overview is okay, I'm up for this - as I said, I've been writing meta on slash anyway. BUT, if you'd like somethig different or additional, you have only to ask m'dear. :D

Let me know.
theemdash
Aug. 1st, 2010 05:30 pm (UTC)
Write about whatever your experience is. I've mostly attended slash panels for Stargate, but a couple weeks ago went to one for Harry Potter and was surprised by the differences. I've been planning to write my own post on that, but figured other people may have had the same experience and be able to contribute to the conversation. (I figured your experience was mostly SG and TMNT.)
natsuko1978
Aug. 1st, 2010 08:03 pm (UTC)
What's a slash panel?
theemdash
Aug. 2nd, 2010 01:05 am (UTC)
At a convention. Basically a lecture/discussion (depending on the layout and panelists/facilators) talking about slash. I've been on the Stargate slash panel at Dragon*Con since it started in 2006, then this summer I went to a Harry Potter slash panel at Infinitus.
natsuko1978
Aug. 6th, 2010 05:16 pm (UTC)
Ah! I did not know such things existed, never having had the opportunity to go to a comm. I pretty much only knew about the actor panels/photo ops/Q&As.

These sound really interesting!
loolaa
Jul. 30th, 2010 07:52 pm (UTC)
I don't actually understand what this journal entry is about. But I'll post to say: Hello you!
As for a fannish subject, I choose your favourite Doctor Who regeneration. That is, which Doctor as opposed to the process.
And since you said more than one thing, I'll extend the same subject to a companion/assistant.

Edited at 2010-07-30 07:53 pm (UTC)
natsuko1978
Jul. 31st, 2010 01:38 am (UTC)
So you mean, "Who is your favourite doctor and why?" then?

And what don't you get about the meme/post? I'll see if I can explain it better if I know what you don't get...

::HUGS::
loolaa
Jul. 31st, 2010 10:17 am (UTC)
So you mean, "Who is your favourite doctor and why?" then?
Yep.

It's just the whole 'meta' thing. Even reading the definitions I still don't know what people are babbling on about.
natsuko1978
Jul. 31st, 2010 11:01 pm (UTC)
To me "meta" means "about".

So a meta post on the subject of Dr Who is a piece *about* Dr Who. Fandom meta is writing about fandom. Fanfiction meta is writing *about* fanfiction: identifying common tropes and examining how they are used, for example.

It's a kind of overview/analysis: stepping back. To my mind, it should also be somewhat objective and factual, bringing in elements of social science or other disciplines.

It tends to be criticism - in the acedemic sense - rather than merely an opinion/appreciation, or a rant.

Does that make more sense?
loolaa
Aug. 1st, 2010 10:41 am (UTC)
Yes it does. Thanks! :)
ivy_chan
Jul. 31st, 2010 03:19 pm (UTC)
Talk to me about handicapped characters in your fandoms, and which (if any) of them do them right.
natsuko1978
Jul. 31st, 2010 06:55 pm (UTC)
Disabled =/= Handicapped
I will definitely write a piece about impairment and disability in fandom, and thank you very much for the question.

But...

Horses are "handicapped" in horse-racing. Golfers are handicapped.

I realise that *I'm* not the most politically correct person around, and I *think* I know what you mean. But because of the way language works, I cannot be entirely certain. In my world, impairment is not the same as disability, which is not the same thing as a handicap. Maybe this is a UK/US difference in language use...

Unless you want me to talk about characters in fandom who play golf?

"Don't call me handicapped": http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3708576.stm

http://labracknell.blogspot.com/2006/02/impairment-vs-disability.html

http://labracknell.blogspot.com/2006/04/one-in-seven.html

Quote: "1. we have some degree of physical or mental functional loss or difference (we have impairments); and
2. we are excluded from full participation in society because we have impairments (we are disabled)."
/Quote

I'm not insulted, or anything, personally, but I do find this an area where precision in language can make all the difference. I hope you don't find my pointing this out in any way offensive. I almost want to apologise for doing so, except that I find this at least as important as whether I am called a "lady", "woman" or "girl. :) No offense taken and no offense meant.

I hope we're okay.
ivy_chan
Aug. 1st, 2010 03:44 am (UTC)
Re: Disabled =/= Handicapped
When I refer to the 'disabled' as such, I get the argument that 'disabled' or 'disability' has negative connotations as well. Honestly, it seems to depend on the person. If you'd rather I use 'disabled' as the descriptor, I'd be happy to.
natsuko1978
Aug. 1st, 2010 04:44 am (UTC)
Re: Disabled =/= Handicapped
You *might* have a problem if you refer to "the disabled". "Disabled people" and/or "People with Disabilities" tend to be preferred: depending on whether the individual is of the "People first" or the social model schools of thought. (In the same way it's not really done to say "the Blacks" or "the gays" etc.)

Like I say, I know you, so I assumed no offence. It *is* really difficult, because people do have their preferences: and since people with impairments don't have a homogenous subculture - we're of all nations, religions, ethnicities, social classes, ages, education levels etc etc - it becomes very much a matter of the individual rather than the group.

I responded as I did because I haven't heard "handicapped" used to refer to an impairment and its social consequences in *years* and even the OED lists it as an "outdated" term for disability. (I'm covered by the Disability Discrimination Act and Disability Benefits, after all. :D)

Use whatever term is acceptable and comfortable to you in your neck of the woods. I appreciate that we will always have linguistic differenced because of our nationalities. :)
ivy_chan
Aug. 1st, 2010 02:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Disabled =/= Handicapped
Pretty much 'handicapped' is considered polite where I am. Or 'special needs'. Honestly, all of the terms make me cringe, but 'people with disabilities' seems to be an appropriate so far, since, as you said, it focuses on the people.

The argument against 'disabled' or 'disabilities' I've heard is that has negative connotations and suggests helplessness, which I can understand. (And then there's 'handicapable', which seems condescending somehow and has mixed reactions. Some like it, some hate it.)


(So...meta now?)
natsuko1978
Aug. 1st, 2010 05:22 pm (UTC)
Meta SOON. Promise. I need some time.
Meta *soon* - once I have time to rewatch the episode where Stargate gave a main character a disability. And finish writing it. It may take me a couple of days.

Also, (a) there are not many disabled characters; (b)this meta looks like it's going to branch off into other issues (I may separate it into a couple of separate posts, actually) because this is a **big** and important subject for me - and because I accidentally derailed you with the terminology issue - do you want to ask me something else as well?

:) Seriously. This is several pages in Word, so far. Do you want another question?
taste_is_sweet
Aug. 2nd, 2010 02:26 am (UTC)
This is something that I've been wondering about for years:

I have barely read any fanfiction for SG: 1, much as I loved the TV series, so I don't know the answer to this. One of the things that I've read repeated over and over is how the crack fic and the wild, far-out ideas in the SGA fandom are something unique to SGA because it's premise invites that kind of boundless speculation.

It seems to me, however, that SG: 1 should invite that endless 'what ifs' as well, especially as it introduced the Ancients and alternative realities as a normal part of the universe in the first place. But is this true? Or is SGA really unique in its astonishing array of AUs, crack fics, transformations, Aliens made them do (whatever), etc. etc. etc.? And if so, why would you say that is?

Thanks! :D
natsuko1978
Aug. 6th, 2010 05:21 pm (UTC)
Oh wow! Really good question - thank you! :D I didn't know you were an SG-1 fan: it seems a surprising (to me) number of SGA peeps *aren't*. It's always interesting to compare fandoms.

There's been a bit of a hiatus thanks to my flare up but I should have this written and posted in a few days. It will be (as I said in another post) posted to my actual LJ rather than as a comment, so do you want a notification when it's up? (Either here or by PM.)
taste_is_sweet
Aug. 8th, 2010 04:21 am (UTC)
I'd love a PM notification, thank you! :D And feel free to do that any time, eh? I'd be very happy to be made aware when you have stuff you'd like me to see.

I only started watching SG-1 in season seven, actually. Much as I'd enjoyed the movie, it left an uncomfortable White Man's Burden/Imperialist taste in my mouth, so I made the mistaken assumption that the TV series would be more of the same. I'm not even sure what tempted me to finally check it out, but when I did I was definitely sorry I hadn't been watching from the beginning! In fact, it was my enjoyment of SG-1 that made me so eager to watch SGA (that and the fact that one of the main characters was Canadian!). But I've read very, very little fanfiction and haven't been active in the SG-1 fandom at all.

I'm really looking forward to your response. And of course links to stories are welcome. ;->
micaturtle
Aug. 3rd, 2010 02:34 pm (UTC)
Yay! Okay, discuss the social damage that living isolated in a household of all males probably caused to the ninja Turtles ;D
natsuko1978
Aug. 6th, 2010 05:22 pm (UTC)
Woah. WOW, Mica, that's really *deep*. Thank you. :D

(How are things going with the move?)
micaturtle
Aug. 6th, 2010 08:05 pm (UTC)
Yay! I was deep!! (and not just in deep shit like I usually am!)

The move is blech. We got flooding in the basement RIGHT before we moved in, so we have everything in boxes until the basement dries out. Hopefully this weekend we can get it mostly unpacked. Thanks for asking :)
(Anonymous)
Aug. 6th, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
Re: TMNT, characters who KILL on a daily basis...

When does justifiable homicide become not-so-justifiable and how blurred are those lines for each of the four guys? And if you're feeling really ambitious... when/how were those lines drawn and by whom?

-Fig
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